[Bluforce]

UPDATE by Turry 08/10/2019

La nuova macchina Sony si chiamerà PlayStation 5 (PS5) ed uscirà a fine 2020:

https://www.gamers4um.it/public/smf/index.php?topic=11524.msg204150#msg204150

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ORIGINAL POST by Bluforce

PS5:
The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD’s Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company’s new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture.
The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon’s Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments. (L'ho vinta 'na birra dunque? )
The AMD chip also includes a custom unit for 3D audio that Cerny thinks will redefine what sound can do in a videogame.

“I won't go into the details of our VR strategy today,” he (Cerny) says, “beyond saying that VR is very important to us and that the current PSVR headset is compatible with the new console.”
... but there’s something else that excites Cerny even more. Something that he calls “a true game changer,” something that more than anything else is “the key to the next generation.” It’s a hard drive. (ci sarà un SSD)

While the next-gen console will support 8K graphics, TVs that deliver it are few and far between, so we’re using a 4K TV. (Sono due le birre? )

Altri dettagli esclusivi, su Wired:
https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/

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EDIT by Turry

Vecchia discussione su speculazioni e voci di corridoio:
https://www.gamers4um.it/public/smf/index.php?topic=10843.0

[Turrican3]

Visto che l'informazione arriva direttamente da Sony direi che ci sta la discussione a parte.

Cerny afferma anche che sarà retrocompatibile, ed il nome non è ancora definitivo (ma conoscendoli dubito sarà diverso da PS5 )

NON uscirà nel 2019.

[Turrican3]

There’s also the speed with which a world can be rendered, and thus the speed with which a character can move through that world. Cerny runs a similar two-console demonstration, this time with the camera moving up one of Midtown’s avenues. On the original PS4, the camera moves at about the speed Spidey hits while web-slinging. “No matter how powered up you get as Spider-Man, you can never go any faster than this,” Cerny says, “because that's simply how fast we can get the data off the hard drive.” On the next-gen console, the camera speeds uptown like it’s mounted to a fighter jet.

Questa mi pare una delle sparate tipiche di Kutaragi.

Battute a parte, direi che con oggi si aprono ufficialmente le danze, ci aspettano mesi di botta e risposta "tattici" (a distanza) tra Sony e Microsoft.

[Bluforce]

Credo che sparate del genere servano per fare capire il concetto a chi di tecnologia non ne capisce nulla. Kutaragi rimane inarrivabile!

[Turrican3]

The “next-gen console,“ as he refers to it repeatedly, won’t be landing in stores anytime in 2019. A number of studios have been working with it, though, and Sony recently accelerated its deployment of devkits
[...]
As he did with the PS4, Cerny acted as lead system architect for the coming system
[...]
The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD’s Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company’s new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon’s Navi family, will support ray tracing
[...]
The AMD chip also includes a custom unit for 3D audio
[...]
I ask if there will be a next-gen PSVR to go alongside this next console. “I won't go into the details of our VR strategy today,” he says, “beyond saying that VR is very important to us and that the current PSVR headset is compatible with the new console.”
[...]
At the moment, Sony won’t cop to exact details about the SSD—who makes it, whether it utilizes the new PCIe 4.0 standard—but Cerny claims that it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs.
[...]
the next-gen console will still accept physical media; it won’t be a download-only machine. Because it’s based in part on the PS4’s architecture, it will also be backward-compatible with games for that console. As in many other generational transitions, this will be a gentle one, with numerous new games being released for both PS4 and the next-gen console.
[...]
Google is leading a charge away from traditional consoles by launching a cloud-gaming service, Stadia, later this year. Microsoft’s next version of the Xbox will presumably integrate cloud gaming as well to allow people to play Xbox games on multiple devices. Sony’s plans in this regard are still unclear—it’s one of the many things Cerny is keeping mum on, saying only that “we are cloud-gaming pioneers, and our vision should become clear as we head toward launch”

Ho estratto i passi più significativi dell'articolo.

[Bluforce]

Ho estratto i passi più significativi dell'articolo.

Aggiungi pure la GPU AMD Navi con ray tracing

[Turrican3]

C'era già (terzo rigo)

[Turrican3]

I'm a third party small developer from EU,for the last 8 months i've been helping a well known company in a AAA game development that is set to release in 2020 as a lunch game for PS5.
 
Some infos that i'd like to share that are 99% correct(i say 99% because small incremental hardware change can occur till 2020,although specs are set in stone).
 
-PS5 official info from Sony somewhere around next E3(Sony will not be participating on E3),i'd say Q2 2019 small reveal
-PS5 release March 2020 or November 2020,not yet finalized
-backward compatible
-physical games & ps store
-ps plus & ps plus premium ( premium-beta early access,create private servers,
-specs CPU 7nm ryzen 8 core 16 threads,unknown speed
       GPU 7nm Navi arhitecture around 14TF,its gonna be powerful and power efficient,Sony working with Amd for Navi,some sort of Ray Tracing but will not focus on that,more focus with VR and 4k,much better bandwith overall
      24GB Gddr6 + 4gb ddr4 for os,we have 32 gb dev kits
-2tb hdd some sort of nand flash
-8k upscaling
-PSVR2 in 2020 also,reveal with ps5,big resolution boost probably 2560x1440,120hz,220 field of view,eye tracking,wireless,battery life 4-5 hours,headphones integrated,less motion sickenss,no breaker box,much less cable management,much more focus on VR for aaa games,price around 250$
-dualshock 5,some sort of camera inside for VR,more analog precision for fps games,something similiar to steam analog trackpad
-price 499$,100$ loss per console at a beginning
 
Ps4 exclusive launch games that i know of
 
Gran Turismo 7 (vr)
Pubg remaster 4k f2p with ps+ only on ps5
Last of us 2 remaster
Ghost of Tsushima remaster
2-3 aaa games more + psvr2 games
 
Non exclusive ps5 games 2020
 
Battlefield bad company 3
Harry potter
Gta 6 Holiday 2020 most probably,not hearing anything ps4 related (hearing that Sony is paying huge money to secure 1 month time exclusive for ps5). Been hearing rumors about Miami and New York,so 2 big cities,but im not sure if thats 100% true
Assassins creed
Horizon 2 so far in 2021

https://pastebin.com/PY9vaTsR/

Questa voce di corridoio era uscita lo scorso dicembre (che mi ero perso ) e naturalmente alla luce delle notizie di oggi acquista decisamente credibilità.

[Parsifal]

8k megascaling e 15 fps 

[Bluforce]

C'era già (terzo rigo)

Chiedo perdono, leggevo i paragrafi dal cellulare e pensavo che la GPU ne avesse uno dedicato che non trovavo.

Riguardo l'upscaling a 8K era ovvio ci fosse. Con molta probabilità sarà una fesseria peggio del checkboarding di PS4 Pro, ma che saltassero su quel treno pubblicitario era più scontato del sole che sorge.

[Turrican3]

Tenuto conto che hanno ficcato nel calderone pure il ray-tracing sarei MOLTO cauto riguardo 8K. Anzi, sarei molto cauto pure sul 4K.

[Turrican3]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-sony-next-gen-playstation-5-spec-analysis

L'analisi di Digital Foundry sui componenti resi noti da Sony.

[Bluforce]

Tenuto conto che hanno ficcato nel calderone pure il ray-tracing sarei MOLTO cauto riguardo 8K. Anzi, sarei molto cauto pure sul 4K.

Ma guarda, Turry, a me non stupirebbe affatto una eventuale situazione del genere:
- 1080p@30fps con ray tracing abilitato
- 4K@30fps con dettagli alti
- risoluzione dinamica e 60fps (o frame rate sbloccato) con meno qualità grafica

Cose del genere si sono già viste in questa generazione.

[Turrican3]

Assolutamente plausibile, l'avevo già scritto io stesso stamane in altri lidi.

Mi autoquoto:

Tenuto conto che ci han ficcato dentro pure il ray-tracing penso che 8K stia lì solo per aver diritto al logo sullo scatolo.
Anzi a dirla tutta dubito fortemente avremo assieme 4K nativo E ray-tracing, qualche compromesso (come sempre del resto) sarà inevitabile, a meno di non voler giocare alle diapositive.

[Bluforce]

E questa storia dell'SSD come memoria, costringerà di fatto "noi picciisti" ad upgradare il classico "SSD per OS e HDD per il resto" in "SSD per l'OS ed SSD per il resto".

A quanto pare sarà molto più importante questo che cambiare GPU XD